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The Ellen DeGeneres Show – Andy Zenor – Does this mean I can harass gay women?

Ah, talk shows!

The above images are from the Ellen DeGeneres Show. As you can guess, the woman is Ellen. The man is a stagehand by the name of Andy Zenor. In the past he just helped move things around and hand stuff out, but it seems Ellen recently took a fancy to him. For some time now it seems that he has been appearing in these short-shorts. And as you can see, Ellen appears to greatly enjoy stroking his legs, often to his apparent discomfort.

Hmm, now isn’t there a name for that?

Oh, yes! Harassment, sexual harassment.

When I was a kid, that was considered something an employer should not do to an employee. Come to think of it, I seem to recall some examples of employers getting in trouble for sleeping with their employees, supposedly promising advancement. But I guess that doesn’t apply, since Ellen is gay (and possibly female, but that is harder to judge).

By that logic, heterosexual individuals could do similar things to homosexual individuals, since they aren’t interested. Lesbians wouldn’t mind a little butt squeeze from a man, since they won’t be sleeping together, right?

No matter what anyone says, such conduct is harassment. Here are some federal guidelines as to what constitutes harassment. I think they apply. For example:

Harassment violates federal law if it involves discriminatory treatment based on race, color, sex (with or without sexual conduct), religion, national origin, age…

Looks like singling out to me.

It doesn’t matter who the employer is, nor their orientation. Harassment is harassment. But then, there seems to be something of a cultural belief that men do not mind sexual or semi-sexual advances, even if they show outward discomfort. This page on TV Tropes is about just that topic. Such tropes do not only apply to television, but real life.

I don’t watch talk shows (I only see them in passing), but if there is one with a woman employee in booty-shorts, I would love to see a picture.

As for the Ellen Show, I think Weird Al summed up my opinion for me:

Or those weird talk shows
About Transsexual Nazi Eskimos
They’re rude, crude and vile
Just for a minute let’s flip down the dial


  1. Taliesin
    November 26, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Ellen, Ellen. She dose some strange thing to men, which I remember my sister complaining about back when feminism had something to fight for. And my mother, and my father, my broth, me for that matter, the law, and about ever back when that happened to women. He clearly doesn’t like what is being done to him.

  2. T
    November 26, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Very important review. This show makes one of the strongest arguments for media reform that I can think of. Although Ellen does a tremendous amount of good, giving gifts and money to those who are in need, she has a side to her show that is so very unabashadly abusive of men that I am amazed to not read more comments on the important question “why can she treat a man like that and not be seen to be encouraging serious sexual harrasment. It is fine for her to represent the gay community in a positive way. Her support for vegan diet and for giving to the poor is great and shows a good side of that community. But nothing is gained by treating a staff person on her show who is a man in a way that would be never permitted if he was a woman and she was a man. Mass Media should serve as a tool in our Society to teach people how to be kind, intellegent and compassionate of others, no matter what their race, sex or religion. Our consciousness of the beauty of others will let us create a future that is sustainable and good. It was not beautiful to see how Ellen has her staff dress up and be treated. Lets all encourage people in the Media, like Ellen, to recognize the tremendously important responsibility they have in helping shape that Media so it is a valuable, productive, sustainable part of our Society.

  1. June 2, 2010 at 11:56 am

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